Monday, May 20, 2024

Episode #185: Discovering Pleasure in Hobbies (Deep Dive)


This week, we’re speaking about hobbies and the way they’ve introduced pleasure into our lives. Plus, we’re additionally sharing how find time for them with all the pieces else happening in our lives.

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Present Notes:

Hobbies and Why They Carry You Pleasure:

Emma – Cooking, jewellery making, portray, and stitching.

Elsie – Portray, baking, adorning, accumulating classic, and studying.

How You Discover Time for Your Hobbies:


  • Break your interest into small steps
  • Discover a interest you are able to do whereas watching TV
  • Restrict your screentime and do your interest as an alternative


  • Schedule it in
  • Work it into your job
  • Turn out to be an expert multi-tasker
  • Visualize what you need your future self to be doing

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Right here is the hyperlink for the hypnotist that Emma noticed.

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Episode 185 Transcript:

Elsie: You’re listening to The Lovely Mess Podcast, your cozy consolation hear. This week we’re speaking about our hobbies and the way they’ve introduced pleasure into our lives. Plus, we’re additionally sharing how we make time for hobbies with all the pieces else happening in our lives. Yeah, there are a number of different issues happening apart from the hobbies, so I believe this might be an important episode. We now have a mega pep speak, it’s undoubtedly one among our most requested questions. Folks all the time wanna know, how do you do all of it? And we’re like we don’t.

Emma: Yeah and I simply love hobbies usually. I really feel like our entire life has simply been doing hobbies and it simply grew into our jobs at a sure level, which is basically cool and fortunate. But additionally simply is smart to me as a result of I’m like, yeah, I don’t know what else there’s, it’s simply hobbies. Let’s simply make stuff. Anyway. 

Elsie: Yeah. I really feel like you possibly can all the time have room for one more interest that’s for certain a theme of our lives. Earlier than we soar into it, Emma has seen a hypnotist. She has undergone hypnosis and she or he desires to inform us about it. So I like have received induced my total life. I’m dying of FOMO and I wanna hear each element. 

Emma: I went to a hypnotist to attempt to work on altering my behavior of biting my nails. In the event you’ve learn our weblog for a very long time or been a listener you in all probability know I’ve been a long-time nail-biter. I don’t even keep in mind a time in my life once I wasn’t a nail-biter. I began biting my nails once I was a child, sooner or later, I don’t even keep in mind, I simply all the time bitten my nails. And I did cease for like a yr and a half or one thing whereas I used to be pregnant. And the primary couple of minutes that we had Oscar. And I believe it was as a result of it was 2020, I used to be pregnant and I used to be dwelling in a pandemic as all of us have been, and studying about it on the fly like all of us have been. And I believe I used to be simply scared to place my fingers in my mouth as a result of I used to be like, I’m scared I used to be staying dwelling, however I used to be nonetheless like, I’m simply type of scared, and I don’t wanna put my fingers in my mouth. I’m pregnant, I’m nervous, I used to be very nervous about my being pregnant as a result of I used to be doing it throughout that point. Anyway, someday after Oscar was born, perhaps round six months or 9 months, I actually don’t keep in mind however I type of fell again into the behavior. And for me, as soon as I get again in, it’s like I’ll be hardcore biting my nails for some time, after which I’ll normally have a little bit time the place I get higher after which I fall again into it once more, and that’s similar to what the behavior’s like for me. And I believe I’ve all the time type of struggled with me why, like, why I wanna cease biting my nails or like placing plenty of effort in direction of it. And even speaking about it simply feels type of foolish to me at occasions. It makes me really feel prefer it’s this very vapid factor. Like I’m simply solely caring about the best way my nails look, and that’s so foolish. I shouldn’t care how I look, you realize. 

Elsie: Otherwise you’re like responding to bully feedback as a result of folks generally go away Emma imply feedback when she has like her hand in an image. I believe that that’s laborious too as a result of we’ve kind of skilled ourselves to disregard folks like that. 

Emma: It’s a must to. So I’m like, do I even care about this? I really feel like I’ve struggled with even understanding that I undoubtedly did wanna change this behavior. So anyway, I’ve tried a number of issues through the years, particularly once I was rising up in like highschool and school. There have been a number of completely different sorts of merchandise available on the market, simply little completely different strategies. So most issues that you can imagine, I’ve in all probability tried, so some basic items, some type of ridiculous issues, and I used to be like, you realize what? I really feel like I’ve tried all of it and I nonetheless wanna preserve engaged on this I’m nonetheless optimistic that I can change and that issues can change, however I believe I have to attempt one thing new. And I used to be like, you realize what, why did I get hypnotized? So I had heard of individuals doing this for like smoking or weight reduction and I don’t know, I simply thought, why not, it’s not gonna damage. In order that was just about my motivation. So I began trying up hypnotists in my metropolis, and I discovered a number of, and I linked with one. He appeared to get alongside, though he’s in Springfield, Missouri the place I dwell. We did all the pieces over Zoom, so he might join with you. In the event you’re I’ll put it within the present notes, however he might join with you wherever. Earlier than my session, he gave me this worksheet that I stuffed out and gave again to him earlier than the session. That was primarily, 5 to seven the explanation why I needed to do that, my objective, which for me was nail biting. So 5 to seven the explanation why I wanna cease biting my nails after which it additionally had me fill out these sections that have been like, one month from now, right here’s what my life will appear to be. One yr from now, right here’s what my life will appear to be, 5 years from now and so I stuffed out that entire factor. I used to be really getting my oil modified and I had time. I used to be sitting there and I used to be like filling this out about to get hypnotized whereas I used to be getting my oil modified. And I believe that actually simply that in and of itself earlier than even doing the hypnosis session was actually useful as a result of I don’t suppose I’d actually made myself sit down and actually suppose by means of all the explanations I actually did wanna cease biting my nails. At first, was like, oh, that is simply gonna be like, I simply need fairly nails. I simply need folks to not make enjoyable of me on the web. After which as I began writing extra causes, not all of them, I really feel like sharing on this podcast, however I used to be like, you realize what? Truly, a few of these are quite a bit deeper than that, this really is essential to me. That even simply gave me extra like, hey, that is essential to you and it’s okay that you just need to make a change and it’s cool that you just need to make a change. And even in case you have a tough time with it, it’s okay, this isn’t only a vapid objective. This isn’t only a self-importance factor, there’s really some deeper issues right here. In order that was cool. After which the rationale he has you observe that out is type of for the explanations I simply stated, it helps you, however then additionally he makes use of plenty of your language again to you throughout the hypnosis. Particularly the objective part the place I used to be like, a yr from now it’ll appear to be this. So it was actually an element throughout the hypnosis when he was like, and you’ll go to the nail salon together with your niece and you may get your nails accomplished and also you received’t should really feel, he was utilizing my language as a result of I wish to take Goldie to get our nails accomplished a while and I don’t actually wanna do it whereas my nails are like tiny, tiny, quick as a result of it’s simply embarrassing, and Goldie’s a girly woman, and I wish to get our nails accomplished collectively. So usually, my overview of being hypnotized is, it felt quite a bit like a guided meditation. I really feel like most individuals have seen a film earlier than the place you’re in a trance after which they provide you a command and also you simply do it blindly, like bawk like a rooster.

Elsie: So there was nothing about it that felt completely different from meditation. 

Emma: No, I felt undoubtedly awake the entire time, I keep in mind all the session. He additionally takes a video of the session, he tells you forward of time, however he takes a video of it. It’s a display screen recording sort video and the reason being as a result of then you possibly can play it once more like a guided meditation and you may do the hypnosis once more. You simply shut your eyes and take heed to it once more as a result of it’s actually simply him speaking the entire time, you don’t actually reply in any respect. He’s watching you to type of see what resonates and what doesn’t and he’ll type of change the session based mostly on that. I might undoubtedly take heed to it once more proper now and it will be useful. So, yeah, it was actually cool, it felt like a guided meditation. It felt very optimistic. It felt similar to, I’ve extra instruments now for reframing this behavior that I’m seeking to change. For instance, one of many issues that he stated throughout the hypnosis was, you don’t should do something to realize this, simply do much less. So whenever you wanna put your fingers to your mouth, simply do nothing as a result of to chunk your nails is definitely to take an motion, I’ve to raise my hand to my mouth. I’ve to chunk on my nail, whereas if I wanna cease biting nails, I actually simply should do much less, do nothing and so it was simply reframing one thing actually. However I’d by no means considered it in that method and it felt very highly effective to me on the time, and nonetheless, as a result of I’ve all the time thought, I’m gonna should have all this willpower and to muscle my method out of this unhealthy behavior that I’ve, however it’s like, no, really I simply have to do much less. So since then, each time I’ve gone to chunk my nails, I simply say, oh, simply do nothing. And I simply type of calm down and let myself calm after which I simply don’t chunk my nails. Yeah. It’s been a few month since I haven’t bit my nails. 

Elsie: I’m curious to listen to a little bit extra about the way it’s been since you probably did the hypnosis. Has something modified? How do you’re feeling now? 

Emma: Yeah, I really feel like I exploit the instruments from the hypnosis once I’m feeling a second of eager to chunk my nails. He additionally had this factor the place he was like, you’re gonna discover the colour pink quite a bit, and that’s simply gonna show you how to recenter on this objective and why you need it. And so now anytime I see the colour pink, he in all probability might have picked any shade as a result of it’s like I see all kinds of colours on a regular basis, however once I see pink it actually does. I don’t know, it simply jogs my memory, you’re not a nail-biter, you don’t wanna chunk your nails anymore, and that you must do nothing with a view to obtain that, it’s already taking place proper now since you’re not biting your nails proper now. And it simply type of recenters me, which is sweet. And I believe utilizing shade for me actually labored as a result of I’m a really visible particular person, however yeah, it’s solely been like a month, however I haven’t bitten my nails since then. I’m not likely anticipating that I’ll by no means chunk my nails once more after getting hypnotized one time. I don’t know, however I believed it was very useful and really optimistic and I actually favored it. It felt a little bit embarrassing in a method too, like listening to him say again my targets to me. I don’t actually like plenty of consideration. I don’t even prefer it when folks sing Comfortable Birthday to me. So to have that hour and a half of somebody centered on you. It was a little bit bit uncomfortable for me and my character, however it was a really skilled expertise, and felt good and optimistic. I might additionally say for anybody who’s in any respect, It’s undoubtedly a type of issues, like most issues in life the place you in all probability get out of it as a lot as you need. You recognize, If I used to be gonna go to church, however I present up and I’m like, that is bull and I hate this and guess what, you’re not gonna get something out of it. So in the identical method, I might say, in case you wanna get one thing out of it, you in all probability can, and in case you suppose it’s bull you suppose it’s dumb, then you definately in all probability received’t. There you go. 

Elsie: Yeah, I believe most issues in life are precisely like that. I believe it’s a glowing overview of hypnosis and I undoubtedly wanna attempt it. I’m undoubtedly gonna take a look at the hyperlink that you just put within the present notes. That’s thrilling, I’ve all the time thought it sounded cool, in all probability. I believed it will be a little bit extra mysterious than the way you’re describing it, however nonetheless sounds useful. So enjoyable. 

Emma: I believe there have been extra woo-woo components and I believe I simply didn’t gravitate towards them as a lot as a result of I used to be actually within the temper to concentrate on the behavior factor. However there is part of the hypnosis the place he had me revisit like little woman Emma, younger Emma, and speak to her and inform her inside, not out loud, however that she’s worthy and it doesn’t matter that she bites her nails and it’s effective. Simply various things and simply mainly return to your childhood self and say that you just love them and you like your self, and that felt actually highly effective. Additionally, this was my very own private factor, I had nothing to do with something he was saying, however I simply had this second the place I used to be speaking to my little woman self Emma. I don’t know why I preserve calling her little woman self, it’s type of a bizarre technique to put it younger Emma. So anyway, I’m speaking to 12-year-old Emma, and rapidly I felt I used to be beneath the ocean and it was scary, and I felt like a shark was coming in direction of me. After which what I did was I turned myself right into a shark after which I felt actually highly effective and I used to be simply part of what was taking place, not like I used to be petrified of what was taking place. And generally I’m going again to that in my thoughts once I’m having a second of feeling anxious or overwhelmed as I’m like, I’m a shark. 

Elsie: Hell yeah. Properly, that’s type of enjoyable. I like that. 

Emma: I don’t even know what meaning. I don’t know what has to do with the nail-biting however, there you go.

Elsie: Overcoming fears, perhaps overcoming insecurities. I imply, I believe with something in life that you just’ve tried to vary earlier than and failed at repeatedly, there’s a barrier there. Like a path of failure, it’s a lot more durable than making an attempt for the primary time. We’re all supplying you with the largest cheer, Emma. I do know everybody’s so proud proper now, and I’m so proud. I simply suppose it’s cool that you just have been open to making an attempt one thing bizarre that you just had by no means tried earlier than. You haven’t any concept if it’ll work, you simply have been open. I believe it’s very cool. 

Emma: Thanks. That’s what I used to be going for. Adore it. I used to be like, perhaps it’ll assist, can’t damage. What have I received to lose, nothing. 

Elsie: Properly, I believe that’s an incredible story. I undoubtedly wanna attempt it sooner or later and I’m certain we’ll in all probability get a number of emails from different individuals who attempt it since you’re overview may be very convincing. Okay, so this episode is about discovering pleasure and hobbies. So, little teeny tiny backstory about our careers. So we did develop up, clearly, we’re sisters, sometimes folks don’t know that. So we did develop up collectively in the identical home. We have been very like greatest associates within the junior excessive and highschool period of our rising up part, and we received plenty of the identical hobbies. We went collectively to our little punk rock music festivals and the thrift shops and we made our personal clothes. We had artwork reveals the place we simply would go to a neighborhood espresso store or a spot that I don’t know, we thought would say sure and be like, can I’ve a gallery present of my artwork, and they’d be like, certain. We simply did plenty of stuff like that. Identical to inventive, and joyful, generally it was an enormous success. Generally it led to one thing, generally it was nothing. Generally it’s simply one thing we glance again and we’re like a little bit bit cringed out by it, it’s all around the map and I believe that that’s an exquisite technique to dwell, an exquisite technique to develop up. It’s what I would like for my children and so on this podcast, we are going to attempt to promote you on the thought of it as nicely, that it’s one thing that may very well be good for you as a result of my strongest perception in life, my strongest, I don’t know in case you would name it like philosophy or a core perception that I’ve is that an important factor in life is to by no means cease studying. And I believe that in case you resolve that you just’re accomplished, you might be. And in case you resolve that you just’re by no means gonna be accomplished, you by no means might be. And I simply suppose there’s such a distinction in folks. I’m very, very impressed by older individuals who begin new issues. It’s one thing we’ve talked about on the podcast plenty of occasions. I might say that one among my greatest targets in life is that I need to preserve making an attempt and beginning new issues without end till I die. I learn final week that David Bowie launched an album the week earlier than he died, and it was type of random, it was not the music that you realize him for, however simply doing it up till the tip, simply being inventive, not likely caring concerning the consequence like that. I believe that that’s a stupendous, stunning method for the start, center, and finish of each single part of life. 

Emma: Yeah, that appears like a full life to me. Appears like the nice life. In all probability once we discuss particular hobbies, Elsie and I are gonna discuss plenty of visible hobbies and craft-type issues and studying as a result of that’s what I’m into. However hobbies are additionally nice, you is likely to be musical, you is likely to be actually into health. There are all kinds of issues and I simply wanna put that on the market, although we’d not point out a few of your hobbies. These are actually legitimate and superior too. Yeah. I believe it’s apparent, however from time to time, I simply suppose it’s good to inform folks like, Hey, we’d not have your interest, however in case you’re like, I play piano on daily basis, I’m like, that’s so cool, and I do know nothing about it, however that’s superior. 

Elsie: That’s true. I believe that we’ve solely tried so many issues, however clearly, the checklist is countless of issues you possibly can attempt like my brother-in-law is tremendous, tremendous into espresso and he is aware of like each single boutique espresso roaster within the US, he can discuss it for hours. He will get actually into the issues he buys and it’s simply so enjoyable to me and I all the time be taught one thing new. And plenty of occasions I simply do what he does. So I simply suppose that being an enthusiastic particular person is such a stupendous factor. So the opposite factor I needed to speak about earlier than we totally dive in is the mom-specific a part of it as a result of I do know lots of people who take heed to our podcast are mothers or perhaps you’re going to be a mother, perhaps you’re a grandma. It’s principally girls who take heed to our podcast, though I’ve heard of a number of males, which is thrilling too. 

Emma: Largely John. 

Elsie: There are some, my realtor, Daniel, shout out to my two associates who’re males who take heed to the podcast. However anyway, I suppose this is applicable to being a mother or father basically and never only a mother, however the years of your life when you may have little children are so exhausting. The right phrase is exhausting. It will probably really feel just like the power is drained out of you each single day. They’re simply so laborious, and I utterly perceive now how folks really feel like they lose themselves, in these years, I get it. I believe that it was a factor earlier than I had children, I checked out it as like, why are you making such an enormous deal? Or like, why don’t you simply do one thing for your self? I didn’t perceive, however it’s simply so extraordinarily exhausting for therefore many, it’s not simply days or even weeks, months, and years at a time. The compounding impact is typically to enter like kind of a everlasting survival mode. And so, on this episode, I wanna encourage you that in case you preserve even simply the tiniest shred of your hobbies alive throughout these years, they may nonetheless be there for you later, and even when that ship is sailed and you are feeling like your plant utterly died, you possibly can nonetheless additionally begin over. I simply suppose that that’s one thing to acknowledge as a result of it’s so intense. 

Emma: Yeah, for certain. And if we’re shifting into kind of the primary a part of our define, which is let’s do it, hobbies and why they bring about you pleasure. As a result of I really feel like that type of segues with what you have been simply saying is I really feel like one of many causes I really feel so obsessed with hobbies is as a result of, I like all people and by nature type of an issue solver, and so I really feel like hobbies for me is me fixing an issue that I selected and that I need to fiddle with. So if I’m engaged on a recipe, cooking’s undoubtedly a interest for me, although I do it for work too. I simply actually take pleasure in it, that’s kind of a part of it. However I do plenty of jewellery making and portray and stitching, although I’m horrible at stitching, and plenty of that doesn’t present up on our weblog. And for me, it’s type of like problem-solving. I’m like, oh, I wanna make a necklace that has these three colours and I would like it to really feel actually huge and thrilling. Or, I would like this one to really feel calm and chill and also you’re like type of fixing a factor. And I believe everytime you’re elevating younger children and there are different occasions in life whenever you’re overwhelmed too, by the best way, however that’s one among ’em for each of us that we’re within the part of. You do plenty of problem-solving whenever you’re elevating a new child or a child or a toddler or a little bit child. You do plenty of problem-solving all day with them, as a result of it’s like they’re crying, what do they want? One thing smells, that one’s fairly simple to unravel, diaper time. Making snacks, cleansing issues up, determining issues for them to do this are secure however entertaining however not gonna rot their mind, however goes to problem them, it’s plenty of problem-solving. I believe there are many different issues in life which are like that too. So generally I believe we’re utilizing that muscle a lot that we’d like a interest that’s like chill. It has much less downside fixing or we’d want no interest for a little bit bit if it’s like, no, I utterly don’t have any mind cells left. I’m in new child occasions, so my solely interest is skincare as a result of I don’t give it some thought. I simply put stuff on my face, fall asleep. However for me, most of my life, although having a new child and a toddler, I’ve a specific amount of capability. The place I wanna clear up issues and I need to make {that a} optimistic a part of my life I really heard this quote one time and I ought to have appeared it up as a result of now I can’t keep in mind who stated it. It was in a e-book, I believe. However they mainly stated, I’m an artist and if I don’t create, I’ll in all probability grow to be a hypochondriac as a result of I simply need to clear up issues. 

Elsie: Oh, that’s humorous. 

Emma: And I used to be like, that’s an attention-grabbing perspective, and the extra I thought of it, I used to be like, yeah, I believe I get what this particular person is saying. They’re saying this factor about our humanity, downside fixing, we are able to channel it for good, we are able to have hobbies, we are able to construct issues with our careers, we are able to care for youngsters. Or I might use it as one thing that’s type of like making up issues. I believe that’s what they’re making an attempt to say with a hypochondriac remark I can type of use this to type of hurt myself a little bit bit or distract myself in a method that’s perhaps not optimistic. I believe that’s type of what they have been getting at with it and for me, hobbies are like filling my time with one thing optimistic that excites me and challenges me the correct amount, and that I simply discover enjoyment from.

Elsie: That’s a very attention-grabbing level. I believe that for my character, it’s like I have to have plenty of tasks on a regular basis. So once I’m busy it might probably go from like very productive to love very self-sabotaging, it may be both one. It simply relies upon. Yeah. That’s one thing I’ve type of by no means actually thought of earlier than. Is like holding life stuffed with more healthy, extra productive hobbies in order that I don’t get too bored mainly and should go to the hobbies which are extra self-destructive or those, there’s simply ones that shouldn’t be accomplished in extra or no matter. 

Emma: With regards to selecting hobbies, I take into consideration what sort of particular person you might be so far as an introvert, extrovert or visible learner, auditory learner, or issues like that. As a result of Elsie and I, we’ve talked about this earlier than, we’re each type of introverts. I like to spend so much of time alone. So for me, crafts and artwork tasks that I can do on my own as additionally studying and writing are all issues which are very very like I’m in my very own head, I’m on my own. I may very well be sitting by different folks, however these nearly assist me escape. After I’m studying on a airplane, I’m making an attempt to deal with my boredom and nervousness by escaping and being alone, however I’m not likely alone, I’m on a airplane, you realize? However that’s kind of a part of it for me I’m usually searching for hobbies the place I get to be alone as a result of that’s how I recharge my batteries in order that I can then hang around with folks and have social interactions and be a mother and all of the issues I need to do in my life as nicely, and in addition carry me pleasure. However for some folks, they is likely to be like, I’m an extrovert. So perhaps it’s best to take into consideration becoming a member of a theater group or a band or one thing the place you’re gonna be interacting with different folks. And that’s a part of the interest is constructing one thing collectively. 

Elsie: Folks wish to work out in teams of individuals perhaps.

Emma: Yeah, issues like that. I believe there are many methods to do hobbies with others and that is likely to be actually interesting to you if that’s the way you recharge your batteries. 

Elsie: So I wrote down my most joyful hobbies that I’ve discovered by means of the years. The primary one is portray. I don’t know if I’m the most efficient painter, however it’s one thing that I’ll all the time come again to, it all the time brings me pleasure and it’s simply so enjoyable and there are countless methods to do it. So I really feel like it will by no means get boring. The subsequent one is baking and my baking interest is certainly seasonal. It’s a winter interest that I like, a seasonal interest just about. It’s just about utterly gone this time of yr. My little five-year-old all the time desires to bake and I’m like, eh, let’s make a smoothie. I’m simply not within the temper to bake proper now, it’s undoubtedly a temper factor. As quickly because it turns, not even September, like August twentieth, I might say is the precise day when my mind turns to cake pops for the remainder of the yr, after which adorning for certain is my without end interest, it’s my very own house, it’s for myself. I believe lots of people have the misunderstanding that I do it for the web. There’s no method for me to show this like off the web cuz then you definately simply wouldn’t see however once I don’t publish issues, I’m nonetheless doing it at dwelling. Are you able to vouch for me, Emma? I nonetheless do it on a regular basis. Even when it’s one thing I by no means present. It’s like my dearest grandpa. 

Emma: Yeah, you redecorated your room nevertheless many occasions our dad and mom allow you to like rising up and we didn’t even have the web. You similar to seasonal adorning, but in addition simply Inside design, adorning stuff, you’ve all the time accomplished that. It actually has nothing to do with different folks. You’re similar to that. 

Elsie: Okay. I’ve two extra. Gathering classic, the factor I like about accumulating classic is that it might probably imply nothing. It may be simply junk. It may be stuff that you just shouldn’t have purchased or it might probably imply all the pieces, it may be essentially the most particular factor in your total dwelling. And I believe honing that talent the place you be taught to inform the distinction between the stuff, like go away quite a bit behind. I’m going out of shops quite a bit with out shopping for something, though not as a lot currently as a result of I’m on a venture proper now. I believe turning into actually, actually choosy the place you’re accumulating for a sure aesthetic for a sure like I’ve a dream home in my thoughts that’s not less than half stuffed with antiques. So I do know that to realize that dream home, I’ve to spend years simply popping into shops and searching on Fb market and I believe it’s a joyful factor. It’s undoubtedly a interest. It’s one thing that I take pleasure in just like the entrance finish of it, the looking, after which I benefit from the again finish of it. Having the particular factor like, the swan hearth that I’m obsessed about. I’ll preserve that until I die in all probability as a result of it’s type of just like the a technique that we get to expertise the previous, apart from studying, I suppose. Is like you possibly can dwell with, you should utilize the identical dishes and I simply suppose that’s actually cool. So it’s one thing that appeals to me is the thought of utilizing plenty of previous issues which were utilized by folks 100 years in the past. 

Emma: Yeah. I additionally suppose one thing about it, as a result of I really feel this fashion once I thrift, I simply really feel a little bit bit extra proud that I picked one thing out that works for me. Simply because I really feel prefer it’s simple to enter a very well-curated retailer, and pick a sofa or pick a gown, no matter you’re doing. And it takes a little bit bit extra talent and eye and understanding your individual model and style to enter a flea market or a thrift retailer and pick one thing like that. And in addition you stated, there’s plenty of occasions you go flea market buying and also you don’t come out with something. In that sense, you actually are looking for one thing. It’s not such as you’re going to kill a deer. It’s not that type of looking, however it’s such as you’re not all the time going to get the factor you’re going for. It’s such as you actually have to go searching. Whereas in case you simply go to a well-curated, good retailer, it’s not likely precisely the identical. And there’s nothing incorrect with shopping for new issues from shops clearly, however there’s something about flea markets and thrifting, so I get that. And I additionally suppose accumulating is only a cool interest. It’s very attention-grabbing. 

Elsie: I believe that it’s a adore it or hate it. I’ve a number of associates who’ve no real interest in having a bunch of previous stuff, and that’s effective. However I believe that in case you adore it, then it’s type of like nothing’s higher than that. So for me, there’s nothing I should purchase at I don’t know, a pleasant retailer like William Sonoma or Craigen bro. There’s nothing I should purchase at that retailer that’s higher than one thing I might discover in a flea market, which I like that feeling, I believe it’s cool. 

Emma: Simply sparks pleasure. 

Elsie: Sure. And my final one is studying. So at the moment I’m presently in my audiobook period, and Jeremy had the cutest, dumb factor to say, he stated that we must always change. So our weblog, A Lovely Mess, we name it ABM generally and he stated that we must always change it to the place ABM means audiobook mother. That is excellent as a result of A Lovely Mess, I’m not so certain even applies. Audiobook, Mother is type of my entire character. I’m simply strolling round my home, packing packing containers, cleansing dishes, taking walks, and going to Goal. There’s no time when the audiobook is just not within the ears. 

Emma: I ought to see if is out there and simply begin placing critiques on there. Purchase it. 

Elsie: Genius, genius. We want it. We want one other web site, for certain. So anyway, it introduced me a ton of pleasure. I solely began a little bit greater than a yr and a half in the past studying fiction, and it has been utterly life-changing. So in case you’re an individual who is rarely, you’re similar to, I solely like non-fiction. I used to be you a yr and a half in the past, and I’m telling you you’re incorrect. You’re simply, you’re straight incorrect. There’s a greater method. That’s my opinion. 

Emma: It’s true. I attempted to inform Elsie this for a decade and she or he lastly listened. 

Elsie: I used to be like, no, I’ll simply take heed to Atomic Habits, for pleasure, and it’s like, nicely, okay, atomic Habits is nice. It’s very nice, however there’s only a entire nother universe. It’s like In the event you take pleasure in films however you solely wanna watch documentaries, it’s type of unhappy. 

Emma: Yeah and it’s like, that’s cool, however What about Ever After or one thing? I don’t know, it’s enjoyable. Strive it. You’ll prefer it. 

Elsie: Sure. Okay, so let’s discuss make time for your hobbies, which is certainly an essential factor for anybody within the busy mother period. Anybody who’s, working and doing household life or no matter else, going to highschool, perhaps. I believe most individuals suppose they’re busy, even after they’re not, all of us really feel busy, proper? It’s only a factor you say and really feel. I believe the saddest factor on the earth is when folks discuss one thing they wanna do, however then they by no means do it, it’s heart-wrenching. So how do you go from being somebody who has one thing that you realize, you wanna attempt to being somebody who really is doing it? 

Emma: Yeah. So after you’ve recognized your factor, you’ve found out like, oh, I’m an introvert. And in addition by the best way, generally you actually need to think about price range on the subject of hobbies, as a result of not everybody should purchase a kiln for his or her home not less than perhaps not this yr. 

Elsie: I knew you have been gonna decide on my Kiln. I knew you have been gonna name me out.

Emma: I’m all the time gonna make enjoyable of you, that’s my function in life. 

Elsie: My kiln is a part of my wealthy life, okay? 

Emma: I didn’t say you shouldn’t have it. I stated not everybody might purchase one, that’s honest. 

Elsie: That’s true. 

Emma: It’s not even a dis to you. 

Elsie: I purchased it for myself for my fortieth birthday, and I undoubtedly couldn’t have afforded it once I was youthful.

Emma: You don’t have to justify your kiln to me, I believe it’s superior that you’ve got it. I’m simply saying, if an 18-year-old occurs to be listening they usually don’t have any cash, they is likely to be like, I can’t do pottery. Nevertheless it’s like, maintain on, there are different choices. So suppose by means of these issues too. So I might decide one thing that’s simply gonna match nicely together with your life-style and your pursuits and all of these issues. But additionally, whenever you do, you possibly can break down your interest into small, small steps. So this is identical factor as objective setting. So let’s say you may have an enormous profession objective or an enormous life objective, normally what folks will let you know is to interrupt it down into small little items, small chunks. Identical factor with hobbies. So for me, I attempt to suppose by means of like, how can I work on my interest tonight for one hour after my son goes to sleep or much less? Generally I work on it for like 20 minutes. For me, I’m into jewellery making proper now, I make plenty of necklaces. Final evening I began engaged on this necklace that has seed beads, so it takes quite a bit longer, they’re actually small beads. I in all probability received like a sixth of a necklace accomplished in half-hour, after which I used to be like, you realize what? I simply wanna concentrate on this episode of Succession that we’re watching, so I’m simply gonna cease.

Elsie: Oh, a succession evening final evening?

Emma: It was succession evening final evening. Yeah, so then I finished engaged on my necklace, however I nonetheless really feel like I received to do my interest a little bit bit. I’m engaged on ending this one, that’s for a pal I bear in mind and I haven’t labored with seed beads in a little bit bit, so it’s similar to enjoyable for me. I’m all the time making an attempt to do completely different types with my jewellery making. That’s my no matter, what I’m all in favour of. So suppose by means of, in case you have a very small period of time, then I might do this. And I additionally take into consideration how will you retailer your interest in a method that you may get it out and put it away. In the event you don’t have a roommate or any children, then perhaps this received’t matter to you as a result of you possibly can go away your stuff out. However in case you have a toddler who’s gonna mess with all of your jewelry-making stuff, Yeah. Or a companion who is likely to be like, why is our total lounge your portray studio now? You would possibly have to suppose by means of, okay, how can I work on this, however then fold it up and put it away, or have my very own little house for it, or no matter it’s that you just want. I’ve a caboodle for my jewellery making, and I put all the pieces again and fold it up and tuck it away in order that my toddler doesn’t get into it and swallow my beads as a result of that might be tragic for various causes. I personally love hobbies that you are able to do whereas watching television. Not all of my hobbies match into that I like studying and I can’t be sitting close to a TV and studying on the identical time. I simply don’t have the main target for that. I’m not an individual who can do this. So I’ve hobbies that I can not watch TV and do them on the identical time too. However I do suppose that’s enjoyable, and we’ll hyperlink this within the present notes, however we have now a publish, oh my gosh, I couldn’t consider that phrase. Put up, I’m a blogger, I couldn’t consider a publish, wow. We now have a weblog publish that may be a entire bunch of various crafts that you are able to do whereas watching TV. So we are able to hyperlink that in case you’re all in favour of crafts, I assume you in all probability are in case you’re listening to this podcast. 

Elsie: Yeah. I do the overwhelming majority of my decor planning whereas we’re watching TV and in addition sourcing for bizarre stuff like artwork or I don’t know, I’ve needed to do plenty of dwelling sourcing currently to prepare for shifting. Simply discovering the proper quilt or discovering artwork for a sure spot or discovering copper pots that aren’t a thousand {dollars}, issues like that. I believe these are, for me, that’s like actually good television. I really feel like I’m superb at multitasking, these kinds of issues, after which I don’t should waste my time doing them throughout the day. 

Emma: Yep, precisely. So yeah, simply discovering methods to be a little bit bit extra environment friendly. One different factor I did some time in the past, that is simply my very own lived expertise may not apply to you, I don’t know, however I began monitoring my display screen time each week. Which iPhones, in case you have an iPhone you may have an app that’s known as Display Time or no matter. It’s calling everybody out and offers you a report each week. So I believe they’ve it on Android, I actually don’t know. However at any fee, you possibly can in all probability discover a technique to monitor how a lot time you’re spending in your cellphone and what you’re spending it on. And for me, plenty of time goes to the PBS app as a result of I let my son watch Sesame Road on my cellphone. But additionally, clearly, I’ve plenty of time on Instagram and there’s nothing incorrect with Instagram or TikTok or no matter else. If it’s bringing you pleasure, cool. However in case you’re simply losing time on there and it’s really not bringing you pleasure, then perhaps take a peek at that report each week like I did and I spotted, hey, there’s an additional two hours in right here that you may be studying or portray. So then I type of like giving myself permission. And for the document, I do work for myself, so this may increasingly not work for everybody, however I gave myself permission. I used to be like, in case you don’t waste your time on Instagram throughout your workday, you solely get on there to do work and also you don’t scroll it the remainder of the time, then you possibly can bow out early on Fridays and both decide up your son early or learn for an hour earlier than you decide him up, no matter you wanna do. However that’s the deal. And for me, that type of factor actually works, however may not for you and your life-style, I don’t know. However similar to discovering inventive methods to mainly waste your timeless on issues that aren’t filling you up with pleasure in an effort to waste your time on issues which are filling you up with pleasure, like hobbies.

Elsie: Yeah. My strategies are, the primary one is scheduling. I believe that scheduling, particularly for me, for my pottery and my portray stuff, I’ve to only have a time that I do know I’m gonna do it as a result of it’s getting plenty of stuff out, making a multitude, there’s cleanup. I’ve to cover it from my children or else they need to assist, which is its personal job and normally not one thing that I wanna do when it’s a inventive time for me. So it’s two separate issues. One other factor that works rather well for me is multitasking. So up to now, I’ll admit, that is type of like my entire life, however I believe it’s a part of what made A Lovely Mess a very good job for me. I might simply discover a technique to all the time work something I needed to do into A Lovely Mess. In order that’s why we’ve accomplished so many bizarre issues by means of the years. So I suppose discovering a technique to combine my job hours and my inventive life collectively has been good. After which so far as the audiobook factor, I believe simply turning into an expert multitasker. So lots of people all the time ask me, how do you learn so many books? And the reality is true now that I learn hardly any paper books. I learn a paper e-book if I’m flying if I’m on trip, which is nearly by no means. And I’ve one by my mattress that takes months at a time. So on my good reads, generally you possibly can see that there are books that I learn in two days, and there are books that I learn in six months, these are the paper books. So they simply are, however I discovered that audiobooks can mainly fill my thoughts once I’m doing senseless issues. So like washing the dishes, I do a college pickup line on daily basis that takes about an hour. So I take heed to a e-book throughout that point, each single day, and issues like that. And I believe that simply discovering a technique to squeeze issues in and use the time that you just do have, in case you’re somebody who desires to learn extra and also you haven’t tried audiobooks, I type of suppose it’s important to, it’s life-changing, particularly in case you’re, I imply, you’re listening to a podcast proper now. You clearly don’t hate to hear. You simply type of grow to be an expert multitasker the place like I by no means grocery store with out my headphones in. 

Emma: I additionally suppose in case you’re ever hesitating about beginning a interest since you’re nervous that you just’re not gonna be good at it, that it’s not one thing that’s helpful, it’s not sensible. So like why are you losing your money and time on it? You in all probability produce other guilt journey issues that run by means of your thoughts. We’re all specialists at making ourselves really feel unhealthy or stopping ourselves from doing issues due to social nervousness or no matter your factor is. Let me simply put on the market, I believe hobbies are actually good for you. I believe it’s best to prioritize them. Yeah, and there are such a lot of completely different varieties. You don’t should make crafts. We love that. You don’t should go to the gymnasium, you don’t should play an instrument. You don’t should learn, you don’t should take heed to audiobooks however discover one thing that’s only for you and you’ll be unhealthy at it, and it’s effective. It doesn’t matter and it’s best to waste nevertheless a lot cash suits your life-style and your price range on it, as a result of it’s only for you and it’s enjoyable and it’s good to do this and it’s okay to do this and also you’re price it. For certain. Belief me, and so are we, and so am I. So discover one thing meaning one thing to you. 

Elsie: One thing that helps me is to visualise, I believe quite a bit about 10 years from now self and even like 20 years from now and suppose like how I wanna dwell, mainly, the approach to life that I’m aiming for. And I’ve thought of it quite a bit, so in case you haven’t, please do, please, spend every week on it. It’s so, so, so price it. So for me, what I see myself doing is having this life the place I’m like type of a author and in addition an artist, and I’m spending a big a part of my day doing inventive stuff on daily basis after which I wish to suppose that I might do a number of issues that I really feel I can’t do now, like have a backyard or one thing. Just a few issues the place it’s like proper now is just not my season, however it may very well be in 10 years. That is in all probability true, similar to how a lot time you may have in your life, free time as a younger mother or father in comparison with how a lot free time your dad and mom have, there’s an enormous distinction. In 20 years might make an enormous, big, big distinction in your schedule for me at this stage to only preserve constructing my hours in direction of these issues that I wanna do. You recognize, that Malcolm Gladwell factor the place he says that everybody has to spend 10,000 hours earlier than he may be really nice at one thing. I similar to to suppose that I’m all the time constructing my 10,000 hours. So simply take pleasure in it, simply do it for enjoyable. I’m an enormous believer that no inventive act you possibly can ever do is ever wasted. Even when it’s one thing like a portray that you just throw within the rubbish or a complete cake that you just throw within the trash as a result of it’s gross. The opposite day I did my very remaining kiln fireplace earlier than we needed to unscrew and unplug all the pieces to maneuver and each single factor in it turned out incorrect, and it did. It was mainly like a batch that didn’t end up, and I undoubtedly did be taught one thing that day, and it was unhappy. I used to be mad about it, however on the identical time I’m nonetheless glad I did it and it’s nonetheless undoubtedly yet one more notch in my inventive journey. So I believe, I don’t know. I believe that it’s a perspective that’s price having. In the event you’re centered on the completed product, you’ll be discouraged in a short time in case you’re centered on placing in hours constructing your inventive expertise, I believe that that’s a way more sustainable technique to keep inspired and all the time really feel like all the pieces’s price it. 

Emma: Yeah, and I undoubtedly do have targets with my hobbies and issues that I’m making like remaining items I’m wanting and issues like that. However I additionally simply actually consider it extra as like, let’s think about you may understand how a lot time you may have in your life and it’s 60,000 hours. I don’t know, I don’t know. So I don’t really feel like I’m gonna get to the tip of my life and be like, I’m so completely satisfied I spent 50% of it watching television. I’m like, there’s nothing incorrect with television, I like watching some television, however I actually like the thought, for me, I like the thought of attending to the tip of my life and understanding what number of nice books I learn and what number of scrumptious dishes of pasta I made at eight. And what number of stunning necklaces I made and gave out to my associates. And I don’t actually suppose it issues to me although, if I spent hours and made one thing crappy, to me it’s like, that was a part of the making, it’s simply part of it and I wanna spend my time on doing issues which are attention-grabbing to me. So it’s not, each second doesn’t should quote-unquote depend in direction of the ultimate piece. Prefer it all does, even when it doesn’t really feel prefer it as a result of you possibly can’t have that huge image perspective till we’re really on the very finish of our life. I simply attempt to think about that I can now, and I really feel like that’s adequate. 

Elsie: It undoubtedly is. I really feel like nobody loves TV greater than I do. I like TV. TV is unhealthy, however I do suppose it’s good to just remember to have your prime issues within the prime spots of your time. Okay, so we have now a voicemail query this week.

Linsay: Hello Elsie and Emma. My identify’s Lindsay. And my query for you was how did you greatest communicate with one another as sisters whenever you lived extra lengthy distance? I’m clearly so excited to listen to about all the boys mundane actions you do when you’re again in the identical city, however I’ve a sister that I’d like to verify we keep shut and communicate whereas we’re coming into the part of our lives the place we’re having children and issues like that. Are you able to share ideas? Thanks. Love you each. 

Elsie: Hello Lindsay. I believe this query is so candy. So Emma and I’ve a siblings textual content chat with our brother and our sister-in-law, and I really feel like that’s been so fantastic. We didn’t begin it that way back, perhaps a yr or two in the past. It’s been simply such a good way to maintain up and share small issues which are taking place. After which for Emma and I, we’ve lived in separate states for eight years now. We work collectively. We don’t speak on daily basis, however I might say we speak, would you say three days every week not less than? 

Emma: Yeah. We in all probability textual content on daily basis, however we in all probability FaceTime, which is our important methodology of speaking not less than a few times every week. Possibly extra on every week we have now extra time. Some weeks I’m like, I’m sorry, I’ve to complete my factor. 

Elsie: And generally we normally once we FaceTime it’s not less than an hour, and generally it eats up the entire day. However clearly, the benefit of it’s we’re staying actually linked and I believe we simply should have that. I like FaceTime. I believe it’s fantastic and I believe common calling is so awkward now in comparison with it. Yeah, I believe that these issues have actually helped. Is there anything you’ll, Em? 

Emma: I don’t suppose so. Clearly, we e mail, however that’s actually extra for work. I don’t really feel like we e mail to remain linked, however that might be an possibility in case you loved writing, and felt like you may specific your self higher. I don’t actually know, all people’s completely different. 

Elsie: I get sick of emails, so it’s not my most popular mode of maintaining with somebody. I might method slightly FaceTime. Additionally, one other factor that’s been good is happening holidays. Like final yr we went on a foolish trip the place we didn’t actually do a lot, we simply type of frolicked and it was actually good. So I believe we’ll do extra of these. We’ve been planning this prepare trip for 2 years.

Emma: I’m wondering in case you’d talked about the prepare. I can’t wait.

Elsie: Oh yeah, I imply, I believe dwelling in the identical city goes to be higher, however I believe that the eight years we spent dwelling in separate states, wasn’t unhealthy. It nonetheless labored? And I don’t suppose that it made our enterprise worse. I believe in all probability made our picture shoots worse, however not the remainder of it.

Emma: No, I received much more accomplished since you have been outta my hair.

Elsie: That’s true. I believe once I left we have been nonetheless working type of in an workplace collectively and we each began working from dwelling alone after that. And I believe we each simply want to work from home. That has nothing to do with anybody, it’s similar to some folks get extra accomplished after they’re alone, and I’m undoubtedly a type of folks.

Emma: Me too. 

Elsie: Working in an workplace, I used to be undoubtedly like a water cooler particular person, you realize what I imply? It’s similar to getting stopped from chatting with folks completely continuously. 

Emma: And I’m like borderline like impolite about it as a result of I’m like, I actually don’t have time, make a lunch date with me. Make plans for me after work in case you wanna chat as a result of I’ve received to actually get my stuff accomplished proper now. Now I’m even worse about it, I can’t think about if I used to be within the workplace now, as a result of I solely have a lot daycare time. So I’m like, if I wasn’t planning on having a 20-minute dialog, I’m like, I can not have a 20-minute dialog. I need to go end my factor, so yeah. It’s similar to the place it’s for now.

Elsie: Okay, nicely, I suppose it’s time now for a joke or a reality with Nova. All proper, right here’s Nova this week. Nova, do you may have a joke or do you may have a reality? 

Nova: I’ve a reality. 

Elsie: A reality. Okay. What sort of information do you may have for us at the moment? 

Nova: Do you know that our state animal is a raccoon? 

Elsie: Which state? 

Nova: Tennessee. 

Elsie: Okay. Have you learnt any extra Tennessee information?

Nova: Additionally, do you know that our state chicken is a Mockingbird? 

Elsie: Oh, that’s a very good one. I didn’t know that. 

Nova: And the state vegetable is a tomato. 

Elsie: It’s the state vegetable and the state fruit. Proper? 

Nova: Yeah. 

Elsie: That’s type of cool. Okay. Thanks for the information. She’s so proud. Okay, we might be again subsequent week with our consolation rewatch episode. This one goes to be Emma’s favourite film of all time, Stranger than Fiction from 2006.


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